I was both, but nobody noticed this. Because no one had a clear idea of what either one was. It would take 20 years (2000-20010) for this to be cleared up. With most of this clarification coming late in the next decade (in 2020).
By then, it would be common for Software Developers to make Presentations, explaining what they were doing. Everyone (including Satya Nadella) was explaining everything.
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